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Bobcat wrote: I heard it was good to marry a pagan because they worship the ground you walk on. ![]() HILARIOUS!!! |
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![]() ![]() _________________ The life you’ve led doesn’t have to be the only life you live. |
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keg wrote: Monchiladas, thank you for giving some background that helps explain your posts of yesterday in a different thread, which I found a little puzzling. I am not an expert, so I am willing to be educated differently, but I do not associate the term "Pagan" as a "horrible term". As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I never considered "Paganism" to be a specific religion, but rather an umbrella term for any number of multi-Deist beliefs based significantly on natural cycles. Some of them, I have no doubt, were probably what we would consider today as "horrible", but I hesitate to label them all as such. I believe it was early Christians that assigned a very negative association to the term, and that association seems to have followed it ever since. I guess some in this day still consider themselves to be "Pagans", but I would think that specific beliefs would vary considerably within that group of people. Wicca is one specific religion that I think would be considered to be "Pagan", but even within Wicca there is a range of beliefs that overlap but are not totally consistent. You have honestly explained things very well from what I can tell about paganism and all the other questions! CooknThyme as well! Yes Wicca is a religion but Pagan usually refers to the umbrella of nature based...practices rather than religions? But also religions? It's complicated. Witchcraft itself is considered Pagan but not a religion since you can essentially "add" it into any religion! You can celebrate various deities from around the world, including the Christian God. Actually, many Christians practice witchcraft like things without knowing it since most of these beliefs have been removed from their roots in common knowledge. Christmas trees? Norse origin. Birthday cake, blowing out candles and making a wish? I'm not sure where but it stems from paganism. Dandelions as well. Knocking on wood is celtic I believe and was used to ask the faeries to assist in situations. Also in other ways I have seen Christians use witchcraft is through energy work like Reiki, buying crystals, praying to angels for assistance. _________________ |
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![]() Infrequent Pinecam poster ![]() Joined: Jul 11, 2019 2:58 am
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Olivine wrote: Ok, so back before Christ came, nature based religion was mostly a way of life and survival exclusively. In my opinion, those people who TRULY depend on the land and the understanding of the solar cycles for their daily survival and future propagation are really, in fact, DIE HARD BELIEVERS! It is ridiculous to me that there is such a divide between the way folks believe on either end. Your whole post was lovely! Just quoting this part to save the thread some space though. Most of the older religions and practices were 100% because the people relied more exclusively on the land! An upcoming holiday, Samhain, or the Christian "all saints day"/all hallows eve/Halloween. Samhain has to do with the last of the harvests and celebrating life (in celebrating death as most of the plants die away and give way to winter) as well as remembering loved ones we have all lost. Also, most Christian holidays have very similar dates to the pagan/old holidays. This has to do with forced conversions of pagans to the church and pagans essentially keeping their holidays but under the Christian God. (And yes all saints day/halloween is actually a Christiansted holiday, Jack o lanterns were originally made by the Irish I believe? As carved turnip lanterns. They were believed to keep away bad spirits! I don't understand all the modern day discourse on Halloween being "evil" or "pagan" and nowadays is all about dressing up in costumes and candy anyway.) Kind of a tangent but I just want to put out as much info as a can for all of your time spent waiting!! _________________ |
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Welcome back to Pinecam. Actually, people here talking about religion is at least still much more civil than talking about that other topic ... politics! Heaven forbid (pun intended) you try to understand the complexities of politics and religion entwined together!
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Scalawagy wrote: What sort of after life do you believe? I personally (I'm not speaking for all pagans as there are infinite beliefs) believe in either spiritual afterlife and or reincarnation. That being you can essentially live in a "spirit realm" akin to heaven or return to life. Also honorable mention but my partner is Jewish. Oh religious hypocrisy runs deep in any religion. This is because, as I learned in my psychology classes, people use the labels of their religion to condone their actions. Even many pagans. I have also met many a harsh Christian. Anyone has the potential to be wonderful or harsh and it has nothing to do with religion but with personal morals which are generally shared by society even though most religions were more or less an attempt at laws or maintaining these morals. Also, this is my personal experience. I have known Christians who call themselves as such but will beat animals and the like. The list goes on. I have also known pagans who really became pagans due to trauma from the church and also give pagans a bad name... anyways! I am also very scientific and I believe Albert Einstein had a quote that had to do with imagination being more important than "book smarts". Without imagination we don't seek answers, more or less. I am a witch and believe in spirits because I believe we don't fully understand everything as humans and I enjoy the aspects of witchcraft. Which, some beliefes actually have loose scientific evidence to prove. Everything in existence carries energy, so spirits, deities, ghosts etc could all be things we have no current means to measure but they could very well all exist! (All religions) pardon my rambles, once again just trying to blurt out a bunch of information relating to my beliefs! EDIT: Thanks for the welcome!! And no kidding. Yes let's keep this a politic-free thread please haha. _________________ |
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![]() Found that einstein quote My point with it being that I enjoy religion as a witch because I enjoy a view of the world with my imagination. Using the term imagination here as a way to describe "something unseen or unquantifiable" but something I believe in as well. _________________ |
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CooknThyme wrote: There are LOTS of pagans up here. But few would openly admit it on Pinecam as the hate mail is not worth it. Pagans are not "against" any other religion. Paganism is just different than Christianity, Judism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, or any other religion. I use to consider myself pagan, but not anymore. As I get older and learn more about what other people/traditions/religions call "God" or "Goddess", I guess I've become what most people would call an atheist. Anyway, I digress.... Paganism has many different faces/branches/beliefs, just as most religions do. There are branches of christianity that are so diverse, they dispise each other and claim others are not true christians. Wiccans may claim to be pagan (or more accurately neo-pagan), but very few pagans follow or believe in the ways of wiccans. Just as the Amish embrace a form of christianity, but very few christains follow the ways of the Amish. Most pagans put their focus more on nature and spirituality, rather than the divinity of a central figure or any type of religious doctrine or dogma. Many pagans believe in an after-life of some sort. But some don't. Some believe in reincarnation and some don't. Some are mono-theistic, some are poly-theistic, some are neither. With paganism, there is no unified set of beliefs. This exactly! _________________ |
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